Are they allowed, I ask as we have no genre role for them, but they are also not on the list of things we can't submit?
I have seen a few being submitted and I agree that Newspaper would be handy as a Format.
There is a Forum thread for requesting Formats, but just wait a couple of days to gauge opinion on submitting newspapers: https://www.bookogs.com/forum/2362-format-suggestions
If someone gets busy adding the entire back catalogue of newspapers it certainly will increase our book total!
I don't really have many myself, just a few old ones and a few replicas editions of famous historic headlines but I would not object to them being added. I do have a friend who has been collecting them for 20 odd years, he must have thousands of them.
a friend who has been collecting them for 20 odd years, he must have thousands of them
There's an opportunity.
His house is full of them, his family says he is a hoarder, he says he is collecting history. Unfortunately, he is not online, he thinks the internet is George Orwell's 1984 come true, except we embrace it and pay get spied on. He's probably right.
He's probably right.
I have added Newspaper to the Format request thread.
We've discussed this and have decided we want to stay focused primarily on books, so we won't be adding any extra functionalities for cataloging newspapers for now
Oh. So in that case any submissions of newspapers should be removed? e.g. The Sun Newspaper, 17 August 1977.
Thanks to Supernaut1970 now i know this thread. I am bit unhappy because some of the really exciting newspapers like one what AgathaCrustie mentioned or my previous (few) submissions, f.e. this one:
First i think it would be very important to add the final decision to the Wiki, second the big question:
Oh. So in that case any submissions of newspapers should be removed?
Actually i would like to see newspapers here, in Bookogs :(
As with comics there are cross-overs as well. The UK weekly music papers, NME, Sounds, Melody Maker were all newspapers (listed as bedsheet magazines on Bookogs).
Also the Anarchist paper 'Black Flag':
What about Mad Magazines .
Some people class em comics but they are called magazines are they premitted here or shall we keep em all on comicogs.
Same goes for Conan magazines i would class them comics but they say magazine on them.
I think it would be best if bookogs included all print excluding comics to it's own is a bit odd because of confliting items.
I also hope newspapers get approved.
It looks like Mad is allowed, we have a credit for it here where they should be entered.
I am not sure about the Conan as they come in many different formats. If the whole magazine is in a comic strip format then no they are not allowed.
We have Conan books listed here.
If you read up the Thread staff have disallowed newspapers.
Welcome to Bookogs.
If I remember correctly, the staff has said that borderline cases can belong to both databases, and Mad is probably one of them. It has comics, but also cartoons, and other pictorial/written content. It started as a comic book though, but after 23 issues they changed to the magazine format.
If the whole magazine is in a comic strip format then no they are not allowed.
Yeah. If that's the case then it goes to Comicogs, unfortunately.
Thanks supernaut and mirva
"If I remember correctly, the staff has said that borderline cases can belong to both databases"
This is just crazy. All comics and book should be put together in one database.
I would like to see newspapers also in Bookoggs. I can't see any reasoning not to add them to the database. There are a lot of interesting papers, that have articles about any subject or person in DiscOgs, Bookogs or ComicOgs.
And regarding the magazine/comic crossovers, a question:
What to do about, for example, Doctor Who Magazine. They are in both
Others like this magazine are mixed bag publications. So it can be regarded as magazine or comic-related. In earlier years (from 1920's to 1950's), those were issued a lot.
In the Netherlands we have quite a few mixed bag publications:
Eppo weekblad, Pep Weekblad, Kuifje Weekblad, Stripschift etc.
I presume this is also the case in other countries.
On this, I agree with iljin1:
"This is just crazy. All comics and book should be put together in one database."
And I would add newspapers also.
I also agree with iljin1 on this as well.
I agree with iljin1 as well, and I'm glad to hear there are more users who think this way. Unfortunately I think it might be too late, and the staff has been adamant in keeping the two databases separate.
It seems that the decision was done based on some cataloguing practices, though cataloguing comics is not really different from cataloguing books/magazines.
I think comics and books should be one database, too. Perhaps different input templates could be used that would preserve the cataloging differences on the completed submission
Regarding newspapers, I don't think anybody on the staff says they are specifically forbidden. The comment was made that they don't plan any any extra functionalities for cataloging newspapers for now.
Actually, I think I read a comment from a staffer last year that they are OK to add, but I haven't been able to find that thread.
that would preserve the cataloging differences
Could you elaborate on this? As far as I can see, there are no real differences: we already are cataloguing at least some popular characters, we have to deal with serials as well because of magazines, and the comic book format isn't exclusive to comics.
Actually, I'm not sure. I haven't submitted a comic yet, although I have thousands of them from the '60s and 70s that I collected back in my comic fan days. You mentioned the decision was made by staff because of some cataloguing practices. I just assumed that meant there are differences to the respective catalogs.
Fair enough. I was just hoping someone could've explained the differences. :-)
I have also a few comics and graphic novels but don't really have the time or will to help to build yet another database, especially since there is already a comic database that works well.
I see like comics too books are very similar.
I mean yes they are different but they are similar.
I am not sure on what the differences would be between both sities bookogs covers the major items of a book.
I am confused about why we allow cartoons but no comics? Are they not the same thing?
For what it's worth I think the merging of the two sites wouldn't be a bad idea but I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon.
They are two different things, I think internet explains it better than I ever could:
To get back on topic for the newspaper question:
Like kitchi-gummi said:
"Regarding newspapers, I don't think anybody on the staff says they are specifically forbidden. The comment was made that they don't plan any any extra functionalities for cataloging newspapers for now."
I did understand that, but if you look at some of the newspapers that are in bookogs now, they have a category that is not suitable or descriptive enough.
The Hungarian newspaper is under "bedsheet magazine", as a number of others.
British The Sun is under "other" format.
To prevent newspapers under all kinds of different categories, I would prefer it as a separate category. To me a newspaper is a completely different format within the publication world.
Its like saying manga is cartoons.
I think they should be under bedsheets if possible.
Other would be other formats that nare not listed so other could also work.