Noticed that board books is a format. Presently it is listed as a genre.

Please add Softback as a format - for books that aren't quite Paperbacks, but not really Hardcovers either

Definitely, although I think we should call them softcover as I think it's more universal. This could be used for leather and faux leather Bibles and more.

I've added soft cover as a format. Sorry for the delay on this one.

How about some definitions of things in the wiki?
I work in a library and I don't know what a softcover is, is it a standard term in another country? Wikipedia tells me it is just another term for paperback.

I would say a softcover is a book that is not paperbound, but is not a hardback either. Leather would be a type of softcover.

I would suggest Leatherbound as a format type, on that note also anyone have a rare book bound in human skin to add?

I don't think Softcover is a good format after reading around about it. Everywhere I look says a paperback and 'softcover' are the same thing.

format is gonna be a challenge!! :D

i def just scored a pretty awesome old zen poetry book thats like, rice paper bound with string and stored within a cloth covered folded hardcover folding box thing with like ivory clasps lol

guess i should submit it to be a pain :P

There is two "Format Descriptions".
- Abridged
-Unabridged

Hi again, By nik's advise http://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/412994 I suggest "Fanzine" as format
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanzine.

Hi emilianito1972.

For Abridged and Unabridged, I would add these as Notes for the time being.

Are fanzines distinct from magazines? I am just asking to promote some discussion, since I'm not an expert in that area.

I would suggest Zine rather than Fanzine, a term that could be applied to more Zines than just fanzines, or maybe both would be suitable?

Are fanzines distinct from magazines? I am just asking to promote some discussion, since I'm not an > > > expert in that area.

Definitely, they are homemade usually photocopied, very rarely professionally printed

Sometimes a classic novel comes with a drawing each 3, 4 or 5 sheets: Perhaps "Illustrated" as format? Please feedback about it

Not sure if "Pulp" could be a format or a genre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_magazine

If you are thinking about adding Sheet Music, Printing Music (Música Notada, Partituras) you need a new format. with its own code: ISMN (International Standard Music Number)

Pop-up book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop-up_book

I've added Zine, Board Book, and Pop-Up Book as formats. For Illustrated and Pulp, I see those more as descriptions than formats. I would either add that in Notes or if you really think they are genres, maybe there. If you would like to suggest them as genres, please do so in that forum thread.

Illustrated is a book description, not sure about pulp, Feedback welcome. I'd like a good table of books descriptions (tags you can see when you read a book) Illustraded, unabridged, etc, etc, etc.

And if I want to add "Hardback" and "Pop-Up Book" both as formats of a unique book? How to add more than one format?

For now, I would choose what applies most. To change that field to accept more than one input is more complicated.

Facsimile as format?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile

I don't know if this would fall under 'format', but I have several books + CD, is there a way this could be reflected via format? Would also be nice if one day we could link between discogs and here for books + CD, where you enter CD on discogs with link for book to here, and vice versa.

Brook written in braille? Braille as format? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille

When major league collectors start adding books then it will be necessary "Manuscript" as format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuscript

I've added Facsimilie, Hardback + CD, Paperback + CD and Manuscript. For Braille, I know that it's not really a genre, but I've added it there so that it can be one of many tags.

Wow, excellent updates. If we're going to have CD options, could we also have?

--Paperback + Cassette (Example: http://www.biblio.gs/book/1030-Robin-Hood )
--Paperback + Flexi-Disc (Example: http://www.biblio.gs/book/8560-The-Beatles-Live )

I'm sure there are more variations but those are two I can think of.

Thank You for adding "facsimile" to "formats" but it would be better to have this as "additional format" because a hardcover stays a hardcover, no matter if it is a facsimile or not.

Miniature book

Incunable / Post-incunable

Codex - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex

I've added these.

I'm going to submit a book soon. It's a large hardback book about birds. There is an electronic panel on the side where you can enter a code from any page and it will play the bird song from the bird on that page. It runs on AA batteries. Now, this is a book for all ages, but there are many children's books with the same format. Electronic panel on the side that plays audio of some kind.

How can we properly display these in the format?

This one here not only has sound but even a miniature video projector too.
http://www.biblio.gs/book/4425-Disney-Princess-Movie-Theater-Storybook-Movie-Projector

Perhaps we could call them Hardback + Embedded Audio? Any other ideas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_Club_Associates

Club edition?

I used to be a member of The Softback Preview and from what i understand they licensed the rights to print a softback run before the publishers themselves did.

Have many of these i have to submit.

They definitely differ packaging/artwork wise from the publishers softback versions.

I've just added something that described itself as a Broadside. They were popular a couple of centuries back.

@Adambassador - I found this on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/I-Love-Lucy-Sound-Book/dp/1412791553, so maybe 'Sound book'?

I've added Broadside and Soundbook.

Anybody got a clue what the English equivalent to 'Danskt band' would be? It's sort of a paperback but with folded tabs, very much like a dust cover.

Done some research and found out that it's called 'French flaps' in English. Not sure if it qualifies as to have its own format entry... Maybe one should just enter the format as paperback and put 'French flaps' in the notes?

@LogainTB - That seems like a good plan until we have some way to enter secondary formats.

Magazine + CD/DVD for music/movie magazines

Paperback + Vinyl Record - see below
http://www.biblio.gs/book/12874-Strawberry-Shortcake-Her-Friends
http://www.biblio.gs/book/12880-Ten-Little-Indians

Zine + Vinyl or similar, it's a music fanzine plus a 7" EP http://www.biblio.gs/book/13516-Subterfuge-No-10 and http://www.discogs.com/Various-Zn%C3%B6rt-The-Subterfuge-Compilation-VolVII/release/1745724

Hi guys,

After some discussion with Nik about the book + music item formats, we've decided that adding these formats will create an impossibly long format list, since we'll basically be multiplying all of the book formats by the music formats.

So, for the time being, I'm going to stop adding these kinds of formats. Right now, the Devs are working on several updates that will make it easier to both search for the books with these formats to update them and allow me to work on updating the schema for the submission forum in order to add the much-discussed secondary format field. At that time, I'll remove the book + music item formats that have already been added and correct the previous submissions that have used them.

Once we have the secondary format field in place, we should be able to add a modifier to indicate that the book comes with a music item. Until that time, please indicate the item in the notes field.

I apologize for any confusion this may cause. Obviously, it's a process to perfect the submission form and we have to adapt and rethink as we go. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Thanks,
Stephanie

No worries on this end! Glad to see that discussion continues and developments are being made. Looking forward to the changes.

Is there some sort of Loose-leaf/Binder format? If not, please add it. It's used often in Cookbooks or Text books.

Magazine + Flexi-Disc
Magazine + Cassette
Magazine + CD
Magazine + 7" Vinyl Record (unless you can think of better wording)
Zine + Flexi-Disc
Zine + Cassette
Zine + CD

Just a few posts above, though, seburns posted that those formats won't be added at this time. The devs are working on a different approach.

Thanks Adambassador I missed that post, sorry Seburn etc. for not reading your previous posts.

@westpier - No worries!

@disneyfacts - I've added Loose-leaf/Binder.

I wonder if Box Set could be added. There are two in the database so far.
http://www.biblio.gs/book/2039-The-Chronicles-Of-Narnia
http://www.biblio.gs/book/40984-The-Original-McGuffeys-Eclectic-Series

Spiral bound? also used in textbooks

I am hesitant because it is a proprietary format but maybe Playaway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playaway
We would need to be able to add more than one format though, because audiobook is suitable and also Playaway
http://www.biblio.gs/book/42091-Cyberdeterrence-And-Cyberwar

Maybe this just brings up the need for more fields when Audiobook is selected, we need all audio formats like tape, cd, vinyl etc and then all possible encoding for digital files, it pretty much needs most of the dicogs formats to be available once audiobook is selected.

I've added Box Set and Spiral Bound. For Playaway and the concerns about audiobooks, I'll bring this up with Nik and see what he thinks.

Promo or Promotional: In Spanish: "Ejemplar gratuito, prohibida su venta" (Free item, Not for sale)

Possibly in the date section: Revised ? would be useful for non-fiction books

test post

I've added Promo.

Ok, thank you seburns but now, How to do it if it's soft cover and promo? Only one format to be tagged with.

Next question, some magazines come with a gift like a medal, a scarf, promos, perfumes, Etc. I wonder all that stuff must be describe in relese notes.

"Next question, some magazines come with a gift like a medal, a scarf, promos, perfumes, Etc. I wonder all that stuff must be describe in relese notes." -emilianito1972

I don't think it would hurt. Many come with CDs too http://www.biblio.gs/book/18831-Rolling-Stone-The-500-Greatest-Albums-Of-All-Time

there is a type of format with children's stories (not board books) with 6-8-10 pages of paper. The cover (and all the pages) is made of cardboard, not rectangular shape but die-cut cover. Not sure if it appering in other countries apart of Spain. Here they all named: "Cuentos Troquelados" (Stamped Stories, Die-cut Stories)

Some exemples: https://www.google.es/search?q=board+books&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKzYqazJPKAhUDtRoKHdZ_CnIQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=cuentos+troquelados

Can I enter Sticker albums to database? If it is so, Can you add a new format: "Sticker Album"? Not very common in US but in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticker_album

Can I enter Sticker albums to database? If it is so, Can you add a new format: "Sticker Album"? Not very common in US but in Europe.

I don't think so. I don't see that as a book as much as I see it as a container. I'd say the same for stamp books and coin books, I don't think they belong.

I don't think so. I don't see that as a book as much as I see it as a container.

I agree. It's essentially like entering a blank notebook. The content is a "post-manufacture alteration"...

I've added Stamped/Die Cut Stories.

Also, good call on the sticker albums, @Adambassador and 7_Sea_Cods.

Brochure (if it's more than a few pages), or maybe more accurate booklet. Here's a 64 page example: http://www.biblio.gs/book/63543-Wissenswertes-uber-USA. Note that this particular example can be seen as a propaganda booklet/brochure.

Brochure (if it's more than a few pages), or maybe more accurate booklet. Here's a 64 page example: http://www.biblio.gs/book/63543-Wissenswertes-uber-USA. Note that this particular example can be seen as a propaganda booklet/brochure.

We've discussed adding things like booklets, parade programs, playbills, librettos, user manuals, catalogs, brochures and other ephemera. I think the general consensus is that this database should not contain those items. But we could easily discuss it again, we are still in beta.

http://www.biblio.gs/forum/1310-Adding-old-catalogs
http://www.biblio.gs/forum/2038-Manuals
http://www.biblio.gs/forum/15731-Playbills-and-Programs

Postcard book - for books of postcards which can be detached and sent e.g.. http://www.biblio.gs/book/13684-James-Dean-A-Book-Of-Postcards

Postcard book - for books of postcards which can be detached and sent e.g.. http://www.biblio.gs/book/13684-James-Dean-A-Book-Of-Postcards

I personally don't think that ephemera of this type belongs in the database. I'd like to see other members' comments.

Interesting.
I tend to disagree - some of the postcard books I have, particularly those published by Pomegranate, are akin to a picture book. The 'pages' are detachable postcards but they generally run on a theme, have an author (or editor) and a foreword or afterword on their subjects. They almost always call themselves 'books' too. The only difference between one of these and and a 'regular' book is the perforation that enables you to remove the 'page'.

I wouldn't advocate adding the many postcard boxes to the databases, such as those published by Penguin, Ladybird, Vanity Fair etc. but I do think these books belong.

I'm not going to add any yet; I'll wait to see what other contributors think. Thanks for posting.

Thanks for posting.

Certainly. And very nice to have you here.

some of the postcard books I have, particularly those published by Pomegranate, are akin to a picture book.

Agreed. Like I said in the other thread, I wouldn't mind them in the database. I see them as books with a dual purpose: you can either keep them as a picture book or actually use the postcards - the choice is yours. As poster books belong to the same category, I think that could be added as well.

How about a text field for different states of a book?
For example,
http://www.biblio.gs/book/65621-The-Seedling-Stars
exists in five states, all (to the best of my knowledge) stated first edition. I've currently listed them in the notes, but a text field would give five distinct formats, like so:
Hardback, Green boards
Hardback, Red boards
Hardback, Gray boards
Hardback, Gray cloth
Hardback, Black boards

I've started adding my Gnome Press titles; several of the Gnome Press first editions were issued in multiple bindings.

A free text field would be probably best for situations like that.

I wish we could also add other details, such as the number of the edition (first/second/third...), printing (if known, of course), and any other descriptions (numbered, limited edition, lettered edition...) like in Discogs.

Format suggestions for fiction magazines:

Pulp Magazine: Pulp magazines were inexpensive fiction magazines published on uncoated wood pulp paper. The typical pulp magazine was 7 inches wide by 10 inches high, usually with ragged, untrimmed edges.

Bedsheet Magazine: Bedsheet-format magazines were roughly 9.5 inches by 12 inches. They could be printed on slick paper or pulp paper. Bedsheet magazines had trimmed edges.

Digest: Digests were/are about 5 1/2 by 8 inches. As the pulp era came to an end, surviving magazines switched to digest size, and new magazines started as digests.

Magazines frequently switched format. Unknown/Unknown Worlds started in standard pulp format, then switched to bedsheet before returning to pulp size for its last three issues. The Shadow started as a standard pulp, but switched to digest-sized by the mid-40s.

BARD, basically a USB stick for Braille readers

http://www.biblio.gs/forum/65822-Any-idea-what-this-format-is-exactly

BARD, basically a USB stick for Braille readers

Make that a BARD Cartridge

+1 for pulp. It's very much it's own genre.

It's very much it's own genre.
Pulp magazine is a specific format for fiction magazines that covered a wide variety of genres.
I'm not sure a single genre covers Planet Stories, Doc Savage, Ranch Romances, and Weird Tales.

Mass-Market Paperback
Trade Paperback

Flexibound / Flexi Bound
(I'm not sure what the correct spelling is)

Flexibound / Flexi Bound
I assume that's different from those flexible, imitation leather bindings they use on inexpensive bibles? Do we need a format for those? I've been using Hardcover, and stating in the notes that the binding is flexible.

Maybe? I'm not really familiar with bible bindings, I just ran into the term because of a sub, "flexibound" is the term they use themselves: http://www.parabolis.com

That at least is something between a hardback and paperback binding, so if it has a proper name...

Monograph

Still about the flexibound, I have some nature guides as well that seem to have similar binding. They seem to be laminated heavyweight paper, with the edges turned in to create the front and back flaps. I'd see it more of an enforced paperback binding.

It looks like printing companies also use the term flexicover / flexi-cover.

They seem to be laminated heavyweight paper, with the edges turned in to create the front and back flaps. I'd see it more of an enforced paperback binding.

That's not what I'm thinking. In addition to bibles, here's an example:
http://www.biblio.gs/book/65636-Dawn-Of-Flame-And-Other-Stories
It's flexible, but bound in a material called Fabrikoid (cotton coated with nitrocellulose (think it might be flammable?)). It's an imitation leather introduced in 1910. It is not paperback, but it's not really hard either.

I think I know what you mean now, though without having one it's hard to tell whether they are even remotely similar or not. The Parabolis isn't exactly the same as my other "flexicovers" either, it doesn't have the turned edges, but the covers on all of them seem to be made out of laminated heavyweight paper.
Here's a pic of the Parabolis binding: http://imgur.com/fg0bggl

And despite what I said earlier, after a closer look, the binding itself is actually closer to hardbacks with the exception of the material of the cover.

Also there are the vinyl-bound pocket books... separate format, or what?

And despite what I said earlier, after a closer look, the binding itself is actually closer to hardbacks with the exception of the material of the cover.
Yeah, that's pretty much the same sort of thing. Dawn of Flame looks like one of those church school bibles with flexible faux-leather covers because the printer had it bound by a company that made bibles.
with the edges turned in to create the front and back flaps
I though you were taking about one of those paperbacks with front and back covers that are about 3-4 inches wider than the text block so they can be folded in to make dust jacket-ish front and back flaps.

I though you were taking about one of those paperbacks with front and back covers that are about 3-4 inches wider than the text block so they can be folded in to make dust jacket-ish front and back flaps.

Well, the ones with the turned edges have the same idea: http://imgur.com/9hvPtuq

Here's what I'm thinking of:
http://www.christianchoicebiblesonline.co.uk/thompson-bibles-leather-bibles

I'd post a picture of my book, but I try to avoid handling it too much. It's worth a lot of money.

Here's what I'm thinking of

Yeah, I figured... It has just been 20+ years since I held that kind of bible (or any bible) in my hands, and I definitely wasn't paying attention to the binding back then. :-)

I'd post a picture of my book, but I try to avoid handling it too much. It's worth a lot of money.

Yeah, it's understandable. You seem to have a pretty cool collection.

I think we're gonna need to somehow be able to enter the exact format of e-books - or are we creating just one entry for them? The same applies to audiobooks I guess.
Here's some kind of list: http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_formats

How about a field for rough book size, either in inches or as folio, quarto, octavo, etc.?

How about a field for rough book size, either in inches or as folio, quarto, octavo, etc.?

Agreed, see also:
http://www.biblio.gs/forum/4928-Book-sizes
http://www.biblio.gs/forum/41573-Fields-for-book-dimensions

Sorry, I should have searched before posting.

Sorry, I should have searched before posting.
No need to sorry. I didn't search the first time I requested it either.

I've started adding pulp magazines, and I'm going to reiterate my format requests:

Pulp Magazine: Pulp magazines were inexpensive fiction magazines published on uncoated wood pulp paper. The typical pulp magazine was 7 inches wide by 10 inches high, usually with ragged, untrimmed edges.
Examples:
http://www.biblio.gs/credit/67325-Weird-Tales
http://www.biblio.gs/credit/70183-Short-Stories

Bedsheet Magazine: Bedsheet-format magazines were roughly 9.5 inches by 12 inches. They could be printed on slick paper or pulp paper. Bedsheet magazines had trimmed edges.
Examples on pulp paper:
http://www.biblio.gs/book/70357-Unknown-Worlds-Aug-1942
http://www.biblio.gs/book/70439-Ghost-Stories-August-1926
Life Magazine would be an example on slick paper

Digest: Digests were/are about 5 1/2 by 8 inches. As the pulp era came to an end, surviving magazines switched to digest size, and new magazines started as digests.

Another thing: we still need Mass-Market Paperback and Trade Paperback.

Another thing: we still need Mass-Market Paperback and Trade Paperback.

And as a community, we will need education as to just exactly what these, and other formats are. I've created a Wiki page where we can begin to define these.

http://www.biblio.gs/wiki/Formats

And as a community, we will need education as to just exactly what these, and other formats are. I've created a Wiki page where we can begin to define these.

I took a stab at paperback formats. Any objection if I add definitions for magazine formats later, or should I see if anyone else has comments?

I took a stab at paperback formats. Any objection if I add definitions for magazine formats later, or should I see if anyone else has comments?

Great job! Thanks so much. I've already updated it, moved some things around, and added an audiobook definition

http://www.biblio.gs/wiki/Formats

I added a description of hardcover books. What is the difference between "Soft Cover" and paperback? Is there one?

Here's a description of printing a soft cover book:
http://www.book1one.com/BindingStyles/SoftCover.aspx
As far as I can tell, "100# cover stock" is paper.

I added a description of hardcover books.
Awesome, thanks.

What is the difference between "Soft Cover" and paperback? Is there one?
Here's a description of printing a soft cover book:
http://www.book1one.com/BindingStyles/SoftCover.aspx
As far as I can tell, "100# cover stock" is paper.

Glad you brought it up. I made "Soft Bindings" a header to include paperbacks, cloth bound books, leather bound, etc. Please feel free to change the header text to something different if needed.

"Flexible binding," for books bound in a manner similar to hardbacks but with flexible boards, perhaps? Leather or faux-leather bibles, for example.

A middle ground between paperback and hardback.

Hi all!

Been adding some books to the DB and have a suggestion (sort of hinted by Mirva above): Pocket Book

Should this be a separate format?

*it's the literal translation of this series: http://www.biblio.gs/credit/70995-livros-de-bolso
;)

Hi all!

Welcome xjoxjox!

By pocket book, do you mean small books that could fit in a normal sized pocket? If so, I've submitted a few myself.

That's exacty it.

OK. I just searched the database for the word pocket and there are a number of results already.

Wikipedia has a "pocketbook" mention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback#Mass-market

Another thing: we still need Mass-Market Paperback and Trade Paperback.

Agreed.

Here's a description of printing a soft cover book: http://www.book1one.com/BindingStyles/SoftCover.aspx

"soft cover book binding, also called perfect binding" - that is an adhesive-based binding method rather than a format. It's used at least in magazines, and paperbacks (especially mass market paperbacks). I'd tend to agree with this:

I don't think Softcover is a good format after reading around about it. Everywhere I look says a paperback and 'softcover' are the same thing.

Also based on http://www.biblio.gs/forum/3824-Paperback-vs-Soft-Cover some users seem to consider it the same as trade paperback. As there seems to be exactly 6 publications in the database with soft cover as format, I don't think anyone really knows what it is.

Should we replace softcover with something like "Limp Leather"? "Limp Leather" seems to be the term of art for flexible bindings made with real leather or bonded leather.

Should we replace softcover with something like "Limp Leather"?
Since most people don't seem to be clear on the difference between paperback and soft cover. (I wish we could edit on this forum...)

I really apologize for the delay in adding your requests. I've added Pulp Magazine, Bedsheet Magazine, Digest, BARD Cartridge, Mass-Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Flexibound, Monograph and Pocket book.

Thanks. I just finished switching all the magazines I've added to Pulp Magazine or Bedsheet Magazine, as appropriate.

Sheet Music?

^ Added.

I've added around 200 books so far, and here some reflexion I had for an improvement of the database for the next version (sorry, I didn't read all the previous comments, some suggestions are probably unoriginal).

some suggestions are probably unoriginal

You're right about that. :) There are separate threads for some of the issues you mention, you're more than welcome to participate in them.

We need a subsection for sub-title

https://www.biblio.gs/forum/7472-Subtitle

Identifying Code: Almost all books published in France have a "No d'édition" (Edition number);

https://www.biblio.gs/forum/46414-Same-edition-different-printing

Genre: sub-genre?

https://www.biblio.gs/forum/85445-Genre-Taxonomy-Request-for-input

What about e-Zine?

https://www.biblio.gs/credit/92981-A-Spot-Of-Dead-Light

What d you think about Printing proofs? Or Press Proofs?
It's similar to Test Pressing used with records. Never found one but it's made before books or newspaper circulation

"Never found one but it's made before books or newspaper circulation."

Here's one: https://www.biblio.gs/book/75104-The-Gene-An-Intimate-History

They're called "uncorrected proofs" or "advance reading copies". We've discussed them before.

https://www.biblio.gs/forum/1258-First-Uncorrected-Proof-or-Advance-Reading-Copy-in-the-database
https://www.biblio.gs/forum/7951-Advance-Reading-Copy

Thank you Adambassador and Profoundemonium
As I can read we can write it in Notes section but maybe a future Format Description term:
Advance Copy, Promo, Uncorrected Proof or similar

I have a few advanced copies too--very common with academic publishing. Wouldn't mind seeing a more formal way of noting this.

I've added e-Zine and Printing/Uncorrected Proof.

How should we enter these: https://www.biblio.gs/book/67886-Mother-Goose-Rhymes
Paperback + 7"?

How should we enter these: https://www.biblio.gs/book/67886-Mother-Goose-Rhymes
Paperback + 7"?

A year ago, I asked the same question.

Paperback + Vinyl Record - see below
http://www.biblio.gs/book/12874-Strawberry-Shortcake-Her-Friends
http://www.biblio.gs/book/12880-Ten-Little-Indians

And seburns replied:

Hi guys,

After some discussion with Nik about the book + music item formats, we've decided >that adding these formats will create an impossibly long format list, since we'll basically >be multiplying all of the book formats by the music formats.

So, for the time being, I'm going to stop adding these kinds of formats. Right now, the >Devs are working on several updates that will make it easier to both search for the >books with these formats to update them and allow me to work on updating the >schema for the submission forum in order to add the much-discussed secondary >format field. At that time, I'll remove the book + music item formats that have already >been added and correct the previous submissions that have used them.

Once we have the secondary format field in place, we should be able to add a modifier >to indicate that the book comes with a music item. Until that time, please indicate the >item in the notes field.

I apologize for any confusion this may cause. Obviously, it's a process to perfect the >submission form and we have to adapt and rethink as we go. Please let me know if you >have any questions or concerns.

Thanks,
Stephanie

Unfortunately, I don't see any changes format-wise in the last year.

Wow, I really messed up the quote formatting there, sorry.

a drop down with universal/Latin sizing would be good - i.e.

fo
4to
8vo
12mo
16mo
18mo
32mo
48mo
64mo

Wow, I really messed up the quote formatting there, sorry.

Thanks anyway, it was still readable. :)

a drop down with universal/Latin sizing would be good - i.e.

https://www.biblio.gs/forum/4928-Book-sizes

Club Edition

Should we have here a filmstrip as a format ?

I've added Club Edition, but if you have a filmstrip, I would argue that Bibliogs is not the right place for it. It would be more appropriate over at Filmogs (www.filmo.gs).

How can I submit my son's first book? It's a soft cloth book with plastic bitter on the corner
Only 6 page, it's from It's Imagical (imaginarium) Something like this: https://www.imaginarium.es/libro-de-tela-para-bebes-con-hojas-acolchadas-soft-book-kiconico-88033.htm
Is it needed define a new format? They named "Baby Screen book with padded sheets"

Like this? https://www.biblio.gs/book/8960-Bath-Time-For-Tot-Fox

Yeah, a new format for that would be good.

@tsivihcra yes, It's a book for newborn babies I guess. At least your book's got some words, mine only martians and numbers :) Regards

@ksdfjsldfj - I've added "Padded Baby Book" to the formats. Please let me know if you think there's a better way to word that.

Some books are marketed as a pack, eg "...includes two books and a pencil with a puppet" so maybe a new format suggention: Pack

Toy Book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_book

Dos-à-dos
Two separate books are bound together such that the fore edge of one is adjacent to the spine of the other, with a shared lower board between them serving as the back cover of both.

Tête-bêche
A single volume in which two texts are bound together, with one text rotated 180° relative to the other, such that when one text runs head-to-tail, the other runs tail-to-head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dos-%C3%A0-dos_binding

Programme

https://www.bookogs.com/forum/228819-Concert-Tour-Programmes
https://www.bookogs.com/forum/228817-Theatre-Programmes
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/programme

Restarting the discussion about booklets because of these:
https://www.bookogs.com/book/261665-Octavious-Watt-and-His-Pneumatic-Bride-Volume-No-1-In-a-Domestic-Adventure-at-the-Worlds-Fair-of-1890

They are described both on the back cover and their website of being booklets:
http://www.dollardreadful.com

I'm afraid though that adding booklet to the Format List will open the database for all booklets, which is hardly desirable. Any thoughts?

What types of "booklet" are undesirable?

I found this thread which sort of relates to booklets: https://www.bookogs.com/forum/109313-Printed-material-with-a-movie-or-music-release-when-should-it-be-entered-here

In the example of the publication that you submitted, I think the term booklet is an apt description and it should be included in the format list. A booklet by definition is a little book. It might be helpful to add the definition of a booklet to the guidelines and also extend the list of releases not allowed on Bookogs by including: leaflets, handouts, handbills, circulars, and flyers: https://www.bookogs.com/wiki/Releases-Not-Allowed-in-Bookogs

Just recently we had a discussion about a publication that was included with a music download which is similar to that first thread: https://www.bookogs.com/forum/251449-Physical-Component

I am still on the fence about this type of publication, but as I said at the time there is nothing in the current guidelines that prevents it from being added. Clearly that publication would be defined as a booklet.

In the example of the publication that you submitted, I think the term booklet is an apt description

It certainly is. It is a booklet, there's no doubt about that.

What types of "booklet" are undesirable?

Well, some booklets are basically just slightly expanded leaflets. They are also often used for promoting and advertising. So, it's probably more about the content than the format.

Interestingly enough I recently submitted a promotional booklet, but it is a sampler of a forthcoming book. :)

https://www.bookogs.com/wiki/Releases-Not-Allowed-in-Bookogs

The list should be probably expanded a bit. It says catalogs are forbidden, but auction and exhibition catalogs are allowed. The exceptions should be mentioned.

Aren't auction, performance, or exhibit catalogs in book/let form only allowed when they have editorial content?
iirc, the Not the Actual Events "physical component" as it was sold at nin.com isn't a book or even a booklet really, it was more a fold out, and a set of cards that come with a folder in which they can be stored.
Also I thought DVD/CD inserts in booklet form, when the main release belongs on discogs or filmogs, were supposed to be entered there as opposed to here?

Aren't auction, performance, or exhibit catalogs in book/let form only allowed when they have editorial content?

I was wondering about that.

It seems purely advertising content is not allowed in any format, whereas some editorial content makes the publication permissible. Instead of having a list of formats that are not allowed on Bookogs, could the guideline be changed to disallow advertising material, product catalogs and manuals (and anything else that I can't think of at the moment)?

The Nine Inch Nails physical component is borderline in my opinion, simply because the current guidelines don't specifically disallow it. I would be happy to see the guidelines changed to ban this type of publication which I believe belongs on Discogs.

IMO DVD/CD inserts definitely don't belong here.

I would agree that the 'not allowed' list needs some additional detail. Dewey Decimal Table 1 (Standard Subdivisions) may assist in clarifying the difference between types of catalogs:

—029 4 Trade catalogs and directories
Listing of products and services without independent evaluations or comparisons
Including commercial circulars and advertisements
Class here product directories, price lists, listings of free products and services, prospectuses of products for sale or lease

—074 Museums, collections, exhibits
Class here history and description; guidebooks, catalogs, lists regardless of whether or not articles are offered for sale

The manual goes on to say:
Tl—0294 vs.Tl—074
Trade catalogs and directories vs. Museums, collections, exhibits
While most catalogs of products for sale are classed in Tl—0294, catalogs of collections are an exception. The distinction is based upon primary purpose: Tl—0294 is used for catalogs whose primary purpose is to promote sale or distribution of products, Tl—074 for catalogs whose primary purpose is to promote knowledge or art. However, Tl—074 is
stretched a little to cover catalogs of replicas, duplicates, and minor items when offered for sale in museum- or exhibit-like settings by noncommercial institutions.
(Taken from DDC 20 - not the latest edition but available for free download from https://archive.org.)

'Brochure' seems to be open to interpretation and a definition would help:
'A type of small magazine that contains pictures and information on a product or a company' Cambridge Dictionary
'A small book or magazine containing pictures and information about a product or service.' Oxford Dictionary
So from that I think it is clear that a brochure is defined by its function rather than its form.

+1 for not including printed matter which is incidental to audio or video material, whether physical or electronic.

I have some reservations about including programmes. At the moment it might look like a simple matter of adding 'programme' to a drop-down menu, but I think there is much more too it. Programmes are printed matter and may be collectable, but are they really books? A book is a primary object but a programme is ancillary to an event. Do any programmes have ISBNs or included the specific text 'published by...'? Physical format can vary greatly from a single sheet of plain text to lavish glossies - where would we draw the line on eligibility for inclusion? Does the type of venue/production make a difference or would we include everything from Broadway/West End to 'village hall' amateur shows? And what about programmes for sporting events, religious services, state occasions etc.? Then there is all the specific information found in a programme that doesn't fit what we have here: venues, dates & times, running order, acts & scenes, cast of characters, actors, musicians, athletes, contestants, judges, producers, directors, composers, animal trainers, celebrants, equipment suppliers - that's just a few off the top of my head. I think we have enough to do here already. If there is a need to catalog event programmes and facilitate their sale, I think a separate '.og' would be a better proposition.

I suggest the following format additions:

Concertina
Hardback in Slipcase

Request for 2 more formats:
Paperback + CD
Soft Cover + CD

Thanks in advance!

Requesting format:
Magazine + Flexi-Disc

I have quite a few of these from various publications.

Newspaper

Large Print editions.

This is a popular niche market and it would be helpful to classify these type of books and search for them in the database.

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